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		<title>By: René Johnsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>René Johnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!</description>
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		<title>By: briefcases</title>
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		<dc:creator>briefcases</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am impressed, you did a great job with this post, thank you and keep coming with fantastic posts like this. 
 
Dave  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am impressed, you did a great job with this post, thank you and keep coming with fantastic posts like this. </p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: CleverWorkarounds &#187; Why do SharePoint Projects Fail? - Part 8</title>
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		<dc:creator>CleverWorkarounds &#187; Why do SharePoint Projects Fail? - Part 8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post entitled &quot;Observations on the Rigor of Waterfall&quot;, and referred to a post from David Christiansen. Both authors do a great job in systematically pulling apart some of the misconceptions of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post entitled &quot;Observations on the Rigor of Waterfall&quot;, and referred to a post from David Christiansen. Both authors do a great job in systematically pulling apart some of the misconceptions of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Followup: Rigor of Waterfall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Followup: Rigor of Waterfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now and then I write an article that gets a lot of attention for whatever reason. My post, &#8220;Is there REALLY any rigor in waterfall,&#8221; was one of those. Sure, it wasn&#8217;t as popular as &#8220;The Rules of Office [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now and then I write an article that gets a lot of attention for whatever reason. My post, &#8220;Is there REALLY any rigor in waterfall,&#8221; was one of those. Sure, it wasn&#8217;t as popular as &#8220;The Rules of Office [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Christiansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Christiansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ben. I agree - in an industry marked by so much innovation, we seem to have barely moved at all in this area. That&#039;s ironic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ben. I agree &#8211; in an industry marked by so much innovation, we seem to have barely moved at all in this area. That&#8217;s ironic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Simo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Simo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  

It is sad that software development philosophies and practices developed in a world of government regulation, punch cards, and very expensive computer time still have such a strong a hold on today&#039;s commercial software development.

Ben Simo
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  </p>
<p>It is sad that software development philosophies and practices developed in a world of government regulation, punch cards, and very expensive computer time still have such a strong a hold on today&#8217;s commercial software development.</p>
<p>Ben Simo<br />
<a href="http://QuestioningSoftware.com" rel="nofollow">http://QuestioningSoftware.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Christiansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Christiansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chris for a great comment. I learned something new from my own blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris for a great comment. I learned something new from my own blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris R. Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris R. Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post - it&#039;s good to see developers actually go back and do some fact-checking to formulate an informed opinion on things like BDUF/waterfall.

I have a couple of points to add to what you&#039;ve mentioned on Royce above with respect to context:

* Royce developed the phased delivery model to cope with regulatory requirements set out in the US DoD STD-2167 document, which was so byzantine and bureaucratic that the waterfall was the only way to cope with it;

* A common misconception is that Royce &quot;invented&quot; the single-pass, phased model - actually, in his paper he recommended that the phased model _be repeated cyclically_

* Even the DoD realized 2167 was a dud and abandoned it in 1994 with MIL-STD-498 which promotes evolutionary requirements design.

* In 2000, the DoD released a further spec, 5000.1 and 5000.2 which emphasized using iterative/incremental software delivery.

It&#039;s a shame that no one bothered to RTFM 30 years ago before entrenching the waterfall into computer science to the extent that it&#039;s difficult to undo.

Not to say we&#039;re going to stop trying, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post &#8211; it&#8217;s good to see developers actually go back and do some fact-checking to formulate an informed opinion on things like BDUF/waterfall.</p>
<p>I have a couple of points to add to what you&#8217;ve mentioned on Royce above with respect to context:</p>
<p>* Royce developed the phased delivery model to cope with regulatory requirements set out in the US DoD STD-2167 document, which was so byzantine and bureaucratic that the waterfall was the only way to cope with it;</p>
<p>* A common misconception is that Royce &#8220;invented&#8221; the single-pass, phased model &#8211; actually, in his paper he recommended that the phased model _be repeated cyclically_</p>
<p>* Even the DoD realized 2167 was a dud and abandoned it in 1994 with MIL-STD-498 which promotes evolutionary requirements design.</p>
<p>* In 2000, the DoD released a further spec, 5000.1 and 5000.2 which emphasized using iterative/incremental software delivery.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame that no one bothered to RTFM 30 years ago before entrenching the waterfall into computer science to the extent that it&#8217;s difficult to undo.</p>
<p>Not to say we&#8217;re going to stop trying, though&#8230;</p>
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